Perfect talents and tablets for each Class!

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  1. shyne7x

    shyne7x Member

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    I uploaded an quick Video in YouTube, in the description there is an short Information.

    My Tablets and Talents are not for 1-1 fight's which people are doing in Custom Mode often, my builds are for 5-5 and 3-3.

    Thanks.
    PS: Maybe I'm going to Upload more Videos asap, about Tactics ingame, espacily for Train Map etc.
    I'm sorry for failures in this Text, I mainly speak German.
    For any Questions you can contact me in Line Messenger ID: lowbird88
    Or ingame ID: bl00dstar (Capital written BL00DSTAR).

    Enjoy X-Mas!
     
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  2. ONYX

    ONYX Savage Daddy

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    most of it is wrong. pierce is gunna be better than physical attack 99% of the time, unless youre playing a noob with no guardian talents, in which case it doesnt matter because youre gunna trash them regardless. anyway, i thought i taught you what the best builds were, and these arent them. - madgama64.. max hp inscriptions are better than pierce + cooldown, and if youre gunna use cooldown, you better have the cd/lvl ones too. mixing inscriptions is counterproductive.. all types of wrong.
     
  3. zupernuz

    zupernuz KING OF B S

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    Hear what madsmegma64 said.... he wont lie.

    bl00dstar... I think I have met you ingame... looong time ago.
     
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  4. shyne7x

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    Thanks for the reply, but..
    1. Talents for late game and Inscriptions for early game (lv1-8 - except Harvest or cool down reduce of skills).
    In that case, how far does pierce helps you, why do you need pierce, if enemy got so good as no def at head?
    In my, and a lot of other old pro players mind, full dmg at head is the best.
    Harvest always important.
    Mage pierce needed because atk+ is reduced in normal attacks by 50%.
    At head you got just one skill so make him strong as u can with pierce.
    Hp is right, but just for Tanks and Bruisers, because of lot of skills giving additional damage by your Max hp, more hp more dmg.
    More damage of your own hits, faster enemy kill, faster farm, faster gold, more Harvest = more hp.
    Thats my logic of this.
    As I said maybe in 1-1 not.
    But for 5-5 and 3-3 of course.
     
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  5. shyne7x

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    Hey, yeah thats can be possible that we Meet long time ago, I was also long time inactive and some ex- guild Members played sometimes my Account.
     
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    I forgot:
    Hp etc on Carry just usefully (maybe) if u go fight with lv1/2 etc.
    For example u got like additional 78hp or sth like that, with my atk+ i deal like 104 dmg no crit.
    Means if u want in all ways fight at head, go camp in gas or gank, do first hit and your inscriptions (78-104= -26) are already gone plus - 26 hp.
    Im doing each hit more Damage, even if i got ganked or not, Harvest and more dmg is like much more Harvest with lower dmg.
    Hard to understand maybe my English is kinda bad.
    Plus as I said faster farm what is the most important Thing in this game.
     
  7. DragonFire92x

    DragonFire92x Dead God

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    Uhh what? Attack+ is only good for early game. When it comes to late game, which will happen in any good 3v3 and in general all 5v5 games, you’re better off with pierce. Pretty sure this has been proven by levesqmi and other people who took the time to do the math.
     
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    And by early game, its pretty much only level 1. And if the enemy yourd fighting has physical defense in the guardian talent tree, you will deal the same damage with both physical and pierce inscriptions, with pierce increasing in effectiveness as the enemy's defense increases.
     
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    "Harvest with more dmg is like much more harvest than with lower damage". Firstly, your only your damage on creeps is more, not on heroes. Damage on creeps isnt affected by pierce. So yeah, youre gunna deal 10 more dmg per hit on creeps, but what's 4% of 10? Its nothing. Youre not gunna heal more just because youre using physical inscriptions. And on heroes with defense, your damage will be shit compared to pierce.
     
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    who is going to focus the tank with Level 1 lol..
    additional 5 physical Defence isnt it worth to get Pierce for start in my mind.
     
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    Why do you think that only the damage on creeps is more?
    Of course, you heal more if you deal more Damage.
     
  12. ONYX

    ONYX Savage Daddy

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    Dude ive tested all of this already. Ive been playing hoc for 5 years.
     
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    Same here, but thats says nothing.
    All old people, included me tested also the Effects, if you mean your's better then play with them.
    To say 80% of Mine are false, is bullshit.
    You can ask Kamil, oli, Fabricio, nuri and all other named players included jb or gui (phlegmon) all will say atk+ needed at carry.
     
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    Did you want to 1v1 me a few more times? You dont even have a pierce set to compare them, so why are you talking? I have both all gold physical attack and pierce sets, I can use whichever I want whenever i want, and 10 extra physical attack on creep doesnt mean shit. It still takes the same amount of hits to kill a creep with both of them, so to pretend like you farm faster with physical attack inscriptions is pure bullshit. Also youre using harvest inscriptions with only 2 points in fast healer... Harvest + max hp inscriptions.. Lol.. You think you know whats best but you really do not... I'm done arguing, theres no point. If you want to have a weaker build thinking its best then you can think that if you want, doesnt affect me at all.
     
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    Madsmegma64/ONDICK will win.. due excessive smegma power
     
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    zupernuz KING OF B S

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    Kamil97 is not playing for a looooooong time...
    Dude.. you 're talking about ancient android hoc players/knowledge.
     
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    ONYX Savage Daddy

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    kamil97 has 6600 total games, phlegmon has 4400, fabricio has 7800....


    Bitch I have 10,500. Who the fuck you think you are comparing me to those noobs?
     
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  18. shyne7x

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    U really have no Idea about good people in hoc.
    Who cares about 1-1 I'm playing like one 1-1 a Year just for fun.
    I tell you a secret, the m in Moba Stands for multiplayer not for 1-1.
     
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    Totally Bullshit.
    Go try it, you mean additional attack doesnt help against def? Just Pierce does?
    Thats the worst Thing i ever heared.
    Crit does, normal attacks does also if you have a lot normal (no crit no pierce) atk u increase damage also, not just on Heroes, also in creeps.
    Btw you forget that you have % chance to pierce and me always atk+.
    Means, go play with your stupid build I know what I'm doing, you saying you are pro because of all the games u played?
    Go show your statistics with dead etc, its much more about build, playstyle and Timing is everything.
    Who cares about all the games you played, if you Never Faced these people which you call easy aside noob?
    I played Games long time ago, where you would already rage quit like 10 times dude.
    Everyone with a brain knows that these Tabs I am using are the most usfullys for normal Play (excluded 1-1).
    I gave here just an Information for new comers etc.
    You are laughing that I'm not even using the tank skill with heal myself?
    Dude since its reduced from 35% to 15% I dont really need them.
    For heal combo where it is most usefully I got the Tabs.
    Late game I 2-3 Shot supports/mage/carrys.
    So who cares, my english sadly to Bad to say all what i want..
    Plus you saying you play since release, I NEVER saw you to Zarruba, Untouchables or slaughtererz Times.
     
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